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		<title>By: JRS Medical</title>
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		<dc:creator>JRS Medical</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If aren&#039;t measuring it then you don&#039;t really know it&#039;s value. I was happt to see the government realize it needs some help.  In June 2008, Eight state Medicaid teams selected to meet in Washington, D.C.  for summit to advance the Patient Centered Medical Home model. The Summit was a learning event designed to help foster innovation and widespread adoption of the PCHM model. Teams from 8 leading-edge states shared information from current medical home demonstrations and policy developments with other teams in a collaborative setting. 
I haven&#039;t heard anything come from this, but I hope some of these problems mentioned are resolved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If aren&#8217;t measuring it then you don&#8217;t really know it&#8217;s value. I was happt to see the government realize it needs some help.  In June 2008, Eight state Medicaid teams selected to meet in Washington, D.C.  for summit to advance the Patient Centered Medical Home model. The Summit was a learning event designed to help foster innovation and widespread adoption of the PCHM model. Teams from 8 leading-edge states shared information from current medical home demonstrations and policy developments with other teams in a collaborative setting.<br />
I haven&#8217;t heard anything come from this, but I hope some of these problems mentioned are resolved.</p>
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		<title>By: Lowell Kleinman, MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lowell Kleinman, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 16:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that the 2k that some concierge docs charge is about $150 in pppm terms. The 2k covers a lot of what&#039;s offered in the pcpmh.

Lowell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that the 2k that some concierge docs charge is about $150 in pppm terms. The 2k covers a lot of what&#8217;s offered in the pcpmh.</p>
<p>Lowell</p>
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		<title>By: David C. Kibbe, MD MBA</title>
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		<dc:creator>David C. Kibbe, MD MBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 12:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great series of blogs, Vince!  As I was reading them, I kept thinking of the increasing number of PC docs who are re-inventing their practice outside of Medicare and the health plans, via so-called &#039;concierge&#039; and retainer fee models.  These models consist of a direct-to-patient management contract offered by physicians and their practices, and they typically include the kinds of health IT tools you mention that the RUC doesn&#039;t -- e.g. web portals, PHRs, etc.  I wonder if HHS and CMS, in their wisdom, will ever get around to looking at what the private sector is doing, and what works when patients and their doctors self-select better models of care?  DCK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great series of blogs, Vince!  As I was reading them, I kept thinking of the increasing number of PC docs who are re-inventing their practice outside of Medicare and the health plans, via so-called &#8216;concierge&#8217; and retainer fee models.  These models consist of a direct-to-patient management contract offered by physicians and their practices, and they typically include the kinds of health IT tools you mention that the RUC doesn&#8217;t &#8212; e.g. web portals, PHRs, etc.  I wonder if HHS and CMS, in their wisdom, will ever get around to looking at what the private sector is doing, and what works when patients and their doctors self-select better models of care?  DCK</p>
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		<title>By: alan lazaroff</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan lazaroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the definition of the target population is very important. Certainly most Medicare recipients do not require high intensity care management at any given time. Many could benefit, however, from a reorganization of primary care using technology and refocused staff operating as a team, to improve the management of chronic disease. The PCMH is a total practice reorganization, not only a focused intervention dealing exclusively with the highest risk subgroup. In this sense it is conceptually different from other disease management initiatives. 

I agree that there are major implications to CMS&#039;s decision to structure the demo this way. I also agree that we will not know the real deal until the RFP is issued. But in the meantime, and in view of the criticism appearing suggesting that the RUC&#039;s payment recommendations are inadequate, it is important for people to understand that the RUC recommendations are based on a broader and shallower payment approach than what they are used to thinking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the definition of the target population is very important. Certainly most Medicare recipients do not require high intensity care management at any given time. Many could benefit, however, from a reorganization of primary care using technology and refocused staff operating as a team, to improve the management of chronic disease. The PCMH is a total practice reorganization, not only a focused intervention dealing exclusively with the highest risk subgroup. In this sense it is conceptually different from other disease management initiatives. </p>
<p>I agree that there are major implications to CMS&#8217;s decision to structure the demo this way. I also agree that we will not know the real deal until the RFP is issued. But in the meantime, and in view of the criticism appearing suggesting that the RUC&#8217;s payment recommendations are inadequate, it is important for people to understand that the RUC recommendations are based on a broader and shallower payment approach than what they are used to thinking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Kuraitis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince Kuraitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 16:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarification about 86%. 

IMHO that changes scope of project significantly from what is implied by &quot;high need population&quot; wording in the enabling legislation....still mulling over implications.

Let&#039;s see what the actual RFP looks like...hopefully soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarification about 86%. </p>
<p>IMHO that changes scope of project significantly from what is implied by &#8220;high need population&#8221; wording in the enabling legislation&#8230;.still mulling over implications.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see what the actual RFP looks like&#8230;hopefully soon.</p>
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		<title>By: alan lazaroff</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan lazaroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 17:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From page 3 of the RUC recommendations:

 &quot;CMS has indicated that it will rely on beneficiary eligibility criteria for the demonstration project that will expand inclusion to 86% of all beneficiaries based on the Hwang criteria.&quot;

Also on page 3:

&quot;If 86% were eligible for the demonstration (per CMS current criteria), 245 patients per family physician would be eligible.&quot;

The 86% figure is also referred to in the cover letter to Kerry Weems.

The document emphasizes that the recommendations are based on a particular set of assumptions, and that different assumptions (such as eligibility criteria that would limit enrollment to 15% of Medicare beneficiaries) would change substanitally the recommended payment levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From page 3 of the RUC recommendations:</p>
<p> &#8220;CMS has indicated that it will rely on beneficiary eligibility criteria for the demonstration project that will expand inclusion to 86% of all beneficiaries based on the Hwang criteria.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also on page 3:</p>
<p>&#8220;If 86% were eligible for the demonstration (per CMS current criteria), 245 patients per family physician would be eligible.&#8221;</p>
<p>The 86% figure is also referred to in the cover letter to Kerry Weems.</p>
<p>The document emphasizes that the recommendations are based on a particular set of assumptions, and that different assumptions (such as eligibility criteria that would limit enrollment to 15% of Medicare beneficiaries) would change substanitally the recommended payment levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Kuraitis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince Kuraitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 22:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allan, thanks for your feedback.

Alan, you raise excellent points. The precise math will depend on interpretations by CMS, and we&#039;ll have to wait to see the MMHD RFP to clarify some issues.

The MMHD legislation states that the project will take place with &quot;high-need populations&quot;, defined as &quot;individuals with multiple chronic illnesses that require regular medical monitoring, advising, or treatment.&quot;

This is still pretty fuzzy wording.

Alan, you quote CMS as stating that 86% of Medicare patients will be eligible for enrollment. Can you reference a source?  I&#039;ve never seen anything this specific from CMS.  86% seems to stretch the definition of &quot;high need population&quot;.

Nonetheless, you&#039;re absolutely right in asking about the population to which the PPPM fee should be applied, and $50 PPPM of a broad base of Medicare patients could be better than $150 PPPM of a frail, elderly population.

It&#039;s unfortunate that we&#039;re trying to do the math under such opaque conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allan, thanks for your feedback.</p>
<p>Alan, you raise excellent points. The precise math will depend on interpretations by CMS, and we&#8217;ll have to wait to see the MMHD RFP to clarify some issues.</p>
<p>The MMHD legislation states that the project will take place with &#8220;high-need populations&#8221;, defined as &#8220;individuals with multiple chronic illnesses that require regular medical monitoring, advising, or treatment.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is still pretty fuzzy wording.</p>
<p>Alan, you quote CMS as stating that 86% of Medicare patients will be eligible for enrollment. Can you reference a source?  I&#8217;ve never seen anything this specific from CMS.  86% seems to stretch the definition of &#8220;high need population&#8221;.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, you&#8217;re absolutely right in asking about the population to which the PPPM fee should be applied, and $50 PPPM of a broad base of Medicare patients could be better than $150 PPPM of a frail, elderly population.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that we&#8217;re trying to do the math under such opaque conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: alan lazaroff</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan lazaroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 18:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To understand the revenue impact of medical home payment, you need to know two things:

1. What is the monthly payment?
2. For which patients will the physician receive payment? (i.e., which patients may enroll in the medical home?)

The RUC recommendations are about $50 pmpm for the level 3 PCMH. CMS estimates that 86% of the Medicare population will be eligible for enrollment.

The Deloitte paper does not explicitly define these critical elements, but if I understand it, it envisions 15% of the Medicare population being eligible. 

From page 12 of the Deloitte report:

&quot;• Health coaching and increased effectiveness in patient enrollment in
disease management programs is a major driver for care coordination.
• Currently, disease management organizations are typically
enrolling 10-15 percent of eligible patients for their programs.
The Center’s model assumes 15 percent.&quot;

Deloitte recommends at least$150 PMPM 

Now, which method generates more revenue for the physician? $150 pmpm for 15% of your Medicare population. Or $50 PMPM for 85% of your Medicare population?

The Deloitte paper also proposes that a doc will take of of 1000 patients &quot;who need care management&quot;. If this means 1000 of the sickest and most complex 15% of Medicare beneficiaries, this is totally unrealistic. Too many patients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To understand the revenue impact of medical home payment, you need to know two things:</p>
<p>1. What is the monthly payment?<br />
2. For which patients will the physician receive payment? (i.e., which patients may enroll in the medical home?)</p>
<p>The RUC recommendations are about $50 pmpm for the level 3 PCMH. CMS estimates that 86% of the Medicare population will be eligible for enrollment.</p>
<p>The Deloitte paper does not explicitly define these critical elements, but if I understand it, it envisions 15% of the Medicare population being eligible. </p>
<p>From page 12 of the Deloitte report:</p>
<p>&#8220;• Health coaching and increased effectiveness in patient enrollment in<br />
disease management programs is a major driver for care coordination.<br />
• Currently, disease management organizations are typically<br />
enrolling 10-15 percent of eligible patients for their programs.<br />
The Center’s model assumes 15 percent.&#8221;</p>
<p>Deloitte recommends at least$150 PMPM </p>
<p>Now, which method generates more revenue for the physician? $150 pmpm for 15% of your Medicare population. Or $50 PMPM for 85% of your Medicare population?</p>
<p>The Deloitte paper also proposes that a doc will take of of 1000 patients &#8220;who need care management&#8221;. If this means 1000 of the sickest and most complex 15% of Medicare beneficiaries, this is totally unrealistic. Too many patients.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Goroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Goroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 11:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could not agree more. See our paper if you&#039;ve not already done so. Goroll AH, Berenson RA, et al. J Gen Intern Med 2007;22:410-415.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could not agree more. See our paper if you&#8217;ve not already done so. Goroll AH, Berenson RA, et al. J Gen Intern Med 2007;22:410-415.</p>
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