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	<title>Comments on: The Third Rail in HITECH Implementation:  &#8220;Please Don&#8217;t Make Us All Speak Latin&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Vince Kuraitis</title>
		<link>http://e-CareManagement.com/the-third-rail-in-hitech-implementation-please-dont-make-us-all-speak-latin/comment-page-1/#comment-13157</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Kuraitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;.@john_chilmark Asking HIEs whether they prefer CCD like asking ancient Romans whether they prefer Latin or Swahili http://bit.ly/7D8gi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">.@john_chilmark Asking HIEs whether they prefer CCD like asking ancient Romans whether they prefer Latin or Swahili <a href="http://bit.ly/7D8gi" >http://bit.ly/7D8gi</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Heather Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for this thoughtful post. I absolutely agree that we need to share data in different ways and for different purposes, and technology should facilitate this, not make it harder or more complicated. 

It is interesting that the Booze reference on issues around data liquidity assume that the EHR is an application, and that data is something separate. In view of my involvement with openEHR (the basis for the ISO 13606 standard for EHR extracts) I take a slightly different view - that the EHR is actually the health data itself, not an application. This enables us to view the problems slightly differently.

One of the main reason why there is so much chaos at the moment is that we all use different ways of defining the same clinical content, so trying to align all of these is very difficult, maybe near impossible. We are turning ourselves inside out trying to devise sustainable ways of connecting &#039;apples with pears&#039;, not only now, but as a vehicle to take us into the future.
 
However if we adopt an approach in which we mandate a consistency of data definitions then exchange of data becomes simpler by orders of magnitude. These standardised content definitions become a foundation for eHealth, a logical record architecture. It is an approach that is gathering momentum in Europe. In openEHR these content specifications are known as archetypes. Archetyped data can be aggregated and combined to build and generate the documents, messages and shared applications that we need, whether  CCR, CCD, software applications, integrated research databases, clinical decision support systems etc - a lingua franca of healthIT. The data will stand a better chance of becoming &#039;liquid&#039; and &#039;flowing&#039; if we have a very tight understanding of what each piece of data means and use it consistently.
 
The concept of archetypes or archetype-like standardised definitions seems to be largely missing in the eHealth discussion emanating from the US at present. Trying to achieve a single common language at the messaging or document level without common data definitions/specifications is fraught with problems as you so rightly point out in your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for this thoughtful post. I absolutely agree that we need to share data in different ways and for different purposes, and technology should facilitate this, not make it harder or more complicated. </p>
<p>It is interesting that the Booze reference on issues around data liquidity assume that the EHR is an application, and that data is something separate. In view of my involvement with openEHR (the basis for the ISO 13606 standard for EHR extracts) I take a slightly different view &#8211; that the EHR is actually the health data itself, not an application. This enables us to view the problems slightly differently.</p>
<p>One of the main reason why there is so much chaos at the moment is that we all use different ways of defining the same clinical content, so trying to align all of these is very difficult, maybe near impossible. We are turning ourselves inside out trying to devise sustainable ways of connecting &#8216;apples with pears&#8217;, not only now, but as a vehicle to take us into the future.</p>
<p>However if we adopt an approach in which we mandate a consistency of data definitions then exchange of data becomes simpler by orders of magnitude. These standardised content definitions become a foundation for eHealth, a logical record architecture. It is an approach that is gathering momentum in Europe. In openEHR these content specifications are known as archetypes. Archetyped data can be aggregated and combined to build and generate the documents, messages and shared applications that we need, whether  CCR, CCD, software applications, integrated research databases, clinical decision support systems etc &#8211; a lingua franca of healthIT. The data will stand a better chance of becoming &#8216;liquid&#8217; and &#8216;flowing&#8217; if we have a very tight understanding of what each piece of data means and use it consistently.</p>
<p>The concept of archetypes or archetype-like standardised definitions seems to be largely missing in the eHealth discussion emanating from the US at present. Trying to achieve a single common language at the messaging or document level without common data definitions/specifications is fraught with problems as you so rightly point out in your post.</p>
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		<title>By: HealthIT Policy</title>
		<link>http://e-CareManagement.com/the-third-rail-in-hitech-implementation-please-dont-make-us-all-speak-latin/comment-page-1/#comment-13158</link>
		<dc:creator>HealthIT Policy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @VinceKuraitis IFR allows CCR &amp; CCD for summary records, so we won&#039;t all be forced to speak Latin (HL7) http://bit.ly/7D8gi (via @aviars)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @VinceKuraitis IFR allows CCR &amp; CCD for summary records, so we won&#39;t all be forced to speak Latin (HL7) <a href="http://bit.ly/7D8gi" >http://bit.ly/7D8gi</a> (via @aviars)</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Alan C. Viars</title>
		<link>http://e-CareManagement.com/the-third-rail-in-hitech-implementation-please-dont-make-us-all-speak-latin/comment-page-1/#comment-13159</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan C. Viars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 00:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @VinceKuraitis IFR allows CCR and CCD for summary records, so we won&#039;t all be forced to speak Latin (HL7) http://bit.ly/7D8gi #hitpol&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @VinceKuraitis IFR allows CCR and CCD for summary records, so we won&#39;t all be forced to speak Latin (HL7) <a href="http://bit.ly/7D8gi" >http://bit.ly/7D8gi</a> #hitpol</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Vince Kuraitis</title>
		<link>http://e-CareManagement.com/the-third-rail-in-hitech-implementation-please-dont-make-us-all-speak-latin/comment-page-1/#comment-13160</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Kuraitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;.@aviars  IFR allows CCR and CCD for summary records, so we won&#039;t all be forced to speak Latin (HL7) http://bit.ly/7D8gi #hitpol&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">.@aviars  IFR allows CCR and CCD for summary records, so we won&#39;t all be forced to speak Latin (HL7) <a href="http://bit.ly/7D8gi" >http://bit.ly/7D8gi</a> #hitpol</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Vince Kuraitis</title>
		<link>http://e-CareManagement.com/the-third-rail-in-hitech-implementation-please-dont-make-us-all-speak-latin/comment-page-1/#comment-13161</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Kuraitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@omowizard  2 schools of thought here 1) standards&gt;&gt; data liquidity 2) data liquidity&gt;&gt; standards. I&#039;m #2. http://bit.ly/7D8gi #EHRs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@omowizard  2 schools of thought here 1) standards&gt;&gt; data liquidity 2) data liquidity&gt;&gt; standards. I&#39;m #2. <a href="http://bit.ly/7D8gi" >http://bit.ly/7D8gi</a> #EHRs</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Nahum Gershon</title>
		<link>http://e-CareManagement.com/the-third-rail-in-hitech-implementation-please-dont-make-us-all-speak-latin/comment-page-1/#comment-13162</link>
		<dc:creator>Nahum Gershon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @govwiki RT @VinceKuraitis HITECH &quot;standards&quot;recs seem inconsistent w/ #Gov20. See http://bit.ly/7D8gi #.. http://bit.ly/2iKMA3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @govwiki RT @VinceKuraitis HITECH &quot;standards&quot;recs seem inconsistent w/ #Gov20. See <a href="http://bit.ly/7D8gi" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/7D8gi</a> #.. <a href="http://bit.ly/2iKMA3" >http://bit.ly/2iKMA3</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: govwiki</title>
		<link>http://e-CareManagement.com/the-third-rail-in-hitech-implementation-please-dont-make-us-all-speak-latin/comment-page-1/#comment-13163</link>
		<dc:creator>govwiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT RT @VinceKuraitis HITECH &quot;standards&quot; recs seem inconsistent w/ #Gov20. See http://bit.ly/7D8gi #.. http://bit.ly/2iKMA3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT RT @VinceKuraitis HITECH &quot;standards&quot; recs seem inconsistent w/ #Gov20. See <a href="http://bit.ly/7D8gi" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/7D8gi</a> #.. <a href="http://bit.ly/2iKMA3" >http://bit.ly/2iKMA3</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Gov 2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gov 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT RT @VinceKuraitis HITECH &quot;standards&quot; recs seem inconsistent w/ #Gov20. See http://bit.ly/7D8gi #.. http://bit.ly/2iKMA3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT RT @VinceKuraitis HITECH &quot;standards&quot; recs seem inconsistent w/ #Gov20. See <a href="http://bit.ly/7D8gi" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/7D8gi</a> #.. <a href="http://bit.ly/2iKMA3" >http://bit.ly/2iKMA3</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: HealthIT Policy</title>
		<link>http://e-CareManagement.com/the-third-rail-in-hitech-implementation-please-dont-make-us-all-speak-latin/comment-page-1/#comment-13164</link>
		<dc:creator>HealthIT Policy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @VinceKuraitis  HITECH &quot;standards&quot; recs seem inconsistent w/ #Gov20. See http://bit.ly/7D8gi #hitpol&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @VinceKuraitis  HITECH &quot;standards&quot; recs seem inconsistent w/ #Gov20. See <a href="http://bit.ly/7D8gi" >http://bit.ly/7D8gi</a> #hitpol</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Vince Kuraitis</title>
		<link>http://e-CareManagement.com/the-third-rail-in-hitech-implementation-please-dont-make-us-all-speak-latin/comment-page-1/#comment-13165</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Kuraitis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@WilliamCrawford : HITECH &quot;standards&quot; recs  seem inconsistent w/ #Gov20. See  http://bit.ly/7D8gi #hitpol #hchit&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">@WilliamCrawford : HITECH &quot;standards&quot; recs  seem inconsistent w/ #Gov20. See  <a href="http://bit.ly/7D8gi" >http://bit.ly/7D8gi</a> #hitpol #hchit</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: HealthIT Policy</title>
		<link>http://e-CareManagement.com/the-third-rail-in-hitech-implementation-please-dont-make-us-all-speak-latin/comment-page-1/#comment-13166</link>
		<dc:creator>HealthIT Policy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @VinceKuraitis So is there hope that Chopra will not force us all to speak latin? http://bit.ly/sXUrM #hitpol&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @VinceKuraitis So is there hope that Chopra will not force us all to speak latin? <a href="http://bit.ly/sXUrM" >http://bit.ly/sXUrM</a> #hitpol</span></span></span></p>
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